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Dr. John  McDougall Interview January 2019

Ok, so, good morning Dr. McDougall.
Good morning, how are you today? Good, good, how are you? Well thank you for inviting me to be on this
show. What we’re talking about to people in what part of the world? This is St.
John’s, Newfoundland in Canada. In Canada? Okay.
We’re like the Alaska; we’re very similar to the Alaska except we’re on the East
Coast. Oh that’s nice. Do you have a good
following of people who are interested food? What? Do you have a following of people interested in food? Yes. Good, good. Well,
what would you like to talk about this morning? Well first I want to give a
brief introduction to some of my viewers who may not know you. I’d just like to
start off with, you grew up in the Midwest in the States, and I did as well
I actually grew up in Chicago, and you ate the Standard American Diet. Can
you tell people what that diet was like and how it affected your health growing
up? Oh yeah. Well my parents you know they
they were out of the depression and they lived during the Depression times and my
mom my mother promised that she’d never have to she never had her children have
to eat what she ate during the Depression which was pretty simple food, you know, potatoes and squash you know not much and so she made sure that her children had
plenty of protein and calcium. So I would start out morning the eggs for breakfast
and admittedly I had a substantial number of eggs for breakfast. I’d go on
for lunch with bologna sandwiches and for dinner it would always be things like
burgers or chicken or pizza. In fact I was a big pizza fan. And as a young boy I suffered from abdominal pains, stomach pains, and severe constipation problems, that I would hate to even tell you except that’s what I did. Most you could relate to what I’m saying.
At seven years old I lost my tonsils due to the consumption of dairy products. And as a teenager I was… I didn’t have much endurance. So, when I was on the playground I was a bit slow, which, you know, I
didn’t understand. I had the usual oily skin, acne, and then at 18, a life-changing
event occurred which I still live with today 54 years later. At 18 years old I
had a massive stroke. It paralyzed the left side of my body and as I say to today
day I walk with a limp because of that. At 24 the abdominal pains became so bad that
they put me through major abdominal surgery. And I [have to tell everybody I’d]
probably be dead or at least […] I’d have had to had heart surgery by
the time I was 30. Now you may think my story is unusual but it’s
not. Maybe I was ahead a decade or two than most people eating the Western diet but you know thousand teenagers a year have strokes or heart attacks. So I was in
very poor health. Fortunately, fortunately I, uh, well, in the process of
becoming a medical doctor I was very frustrated. And then I had an
experience that changed my life forever. I trained in Michigan, met my wife, Mary,
in Michigan. We’ve been together, it would be 46 years now. And in 1972 we moved to Hawaii. In 1973 I got a job as a sugar plantation doctor on the Big Island
Hawaii and that’s where my life really changed. My own personal […] started to
change. I was taking care of first, second, third, and fourth generation Filipinos,
Japanese, Chinese and Koreans. These are men and women who worked on the sugar
plantation. And they had come from, the first generation had come from their native
lands of the Philippines, Korea, China, etc. and the diet they had learned as
children they kept, the first generation. The second
generation, the ones that were born on the Big Island of Hawaii, they’re
influenced more by the Western diet. It was Texas Drive-In when I first went
there, the home of the malasada, it was called. And then in about 1974, the first
McDonald’s came to Hilo, Hawaii, and I was one of their first and best customers.
but what I noticed during my three years as a sugar plantation doctor, where, you know,
I tried to help 5,000 sugar plantation workers, what I found out was that was a
terrible doctor. My patients did not get well no matter how many drugs I pushed
at ’em. But now, we’re talking about the usual patient, the everyday common
problems of chronic diseases people who had high blood pressure, diabetes, arthritis,
heart disease, cancers, and so on. No matter how hard I tried they wouldn’t
get better. So I became very frustrated as a physician during those three years
as a plantation doctor. But I also became enlightened. What I saw was that it was not
inevitable to become sick as you got older. What I saw was my first generation patients lived into their 80s and 90s,
fully functional. This was typical. Whereas the second generation got fatter and sicker, and by the time you get to the third generation, fully
Americanized, you found some of the fattest and sickest people in the world, the
people who lived in Hawaii, that I was taking care of as a sugar plantation
doctor. So I… from that observation I knew the diet must have something to do with
disease because that’s, the only thing that changed during the passing of
generations, they had the same genetics, they did the same kind of work on the
plantation, the sugar plantation, for a hundred years, but they had changed their
diet, just over, well, for about 35 years. And as a result
they have some of the highest rates of cancer in Hawaii […] and gout is
very common among the Filipinos, and you know, it–it became obvious that there was
something that was very important to change during those three generations or
four generations. Well, after being a plantation doctor for three years, Mary
and I spent three years on the sugar plantations on the Big Island of Hawaii,
after spending three years of the sugar plantation doctor I decided to go back
and learn how to be a really good doctor. So I went back into a training program in
Honolulu, which was a very high quality program. It was a residency to learn
how to be an internal medicine specialist. So I spent the next two and a
half years becoming an internal medicine specialist, hoping get the tools to help
my patients who had chronic disease. But what I found out was my professors were
doing no better than I was. People with chronic disease, they just never got better. It
didn’t matter how many pills you threw at ’em. With acute problems like lacerations, broken bones, infections– medical business does a lot of good. But when it comes to
chronic illnesses, unfortunately, you know, just the word “chronic” should tell you
that we’re not doing a very good job. So I, uh, then my journey took me into the
medical library, to the scientific research. And what I found out is that
many people had observed that when people become rich, I mean this is over
the last four or five thousand years, this has been documented, and when people become rich, say, in what is now known as Egypt, when they became pharaohs and queens, priests and priestesses, and so on, they became sick. And when you… when you dig these people up and take then out of their pyramids, and you do CAT scans on them or autopsies, you find that these wealthy people, the mummies,
had terrible atherosclerosis, they had obesity, they had problems of… even problems with their children that are related to diet,
to their offspring. So it was obvious that the food, which was different from
the kings and queens of 4000 years ago, just like the kings and queens of 400
years ago, is that they ate a large amount of animal food, whereas the common person, who built the pyramids, the people who worked the fields, they lived on a diet of
starch. And, you know, I traced that through many generations, and I started
to read scientific studies that were done, beginning a hundred years ago. And
the scientific studies clearly showed what the human being is supposed to eat.
But we could have figured that out just by looking at history, geography. Many of
your listeners are old enough to remember when most of the world ate a
starch-based diet. That’s all changed in the last 35 years. It used to be that,
well, I’ll give you the dates, before 1985 in China and 90% of their diet came from rice. It was white rice, admittedly, but two billion people were
living on 90% of the diet as rice. Now the Chinese are some of the fattest,
sickest people in the world. They have a population where they brag that 12% are [frankly] diabetic, and half are pre-diabetic. Whereas prior to 1985,
before the Chinese in China became wealthy, they had virtually no obesity, no
type 2 diabetes; they had no longer multiple sclerosis; they had no heart disease, no prostate cancer,
no breast cancer, no colon cancer. And so when I say “No,” there were some rare
exceptions. Well anyway, the scientific research was done for the, for the
purpose of discovering facts, truths about people, about human nutrition. This
was all done by people motivated by gaining good information not necessarily
by money. And then about 1985, that all changed. The
drug companies, the hospital businesses, You know, back then, back in 1985 and before, as a doctor you weren’t allowed to even advertise in the United States. But, of course, it’s–
all that’s changed. Your doctors are advertised to you to sell you heart
surgery, and, you know, facelifts, and all kinds of things. […]
So anyway, doctors advertise, hospitals advertise. In fact,
what’s turned out is that in the last 35 years, the medical business has been the
only growing financial segment of the US economy, with money borrowed from China, by the way. So it’s become a huge business medicine has, and as a result, money corrupts, you know, it’s just plain simple human nature, is that, even though we have
success and the truth on our side, they have all the money. The drug companies,
the food companies, the devices companies, the, you know, the hospitals, the doctors and
so on they make money by taking care of sick people, not by making sick people
well, but just administering treatment. So I became very disenchanted with the
medical business because I saw that none of my patients were getting better who had
chronic illnesses, and so I launched a passion of mine which was to read the
scientific literature, and I started that about 1976; changed my own diet about
1977; became a board certified internist. I’m now a clinical professor professor at 4 universities. I’m licensed in four states to practice in the US. We’ve
published several scientific papers which you can get, they’re open access,
which show clearly, which confirm what thousands of publications had shown us
before industry took over the medical journals, before industry took over the
doctors. I mean, a big topic today is the opioid crisis caused by medical doctors.
Medical doctors are people just like, you know, your friends and neighbors. They’re
just people, and they’re motivated by the same–by the same things, that is, principally money and Ego. And as a result we have a medical system
that does not address the cause of illness or the cure of illness; only the
treatment of the symptoms of illness when it comes to chronic disease. And, out of that fact, comes the observation, which is consistent, that heart surgery doesn’t work
for chronic coronary artery disease. And it’s a hundred billion dollar a year
business in the United States. The fact that type 2 diabetics are 100% curable
with diet, and, instead, my profession treats them with a whole variety of
drugs, which […] in their own sake, drugs cause serious adverse effects. But
of course, you know, as I said they have all the money, so they can skew their
advertisements, they own the medical journals, they buy the researcher,s and
it’s all corrupt. Basically, you know, one of the things that our current administration
has done for me is to teach me that people are enchanted by fake news and
it’s okay to present alternative facts. You know, it’s okay to lie! And I never knew that. I always thought that was one of the worst things you could do, is to lie. But, you know, the whole system is involved in a whole bunch of lies that have caused terrible
tragedies. But, you know, your listeners don’t have to put up with this, because
we know what causes 89% of the illnesses
in Western societies, and that’s from eating like a king and queen. And now, I
think, it’s been recognized by the World Health Organization, hasn’t it? Most
of the chronic degenerative diseases, they say, are due to diet and lifestyle. You know, the
Heart Association, Cancer Society, World Health Organization, and so on they kind
of dip into the issues of diet. Like the World Health Organization has told us
that over-nutrition causes more problems than under-nutrition, as for the
last 20 years. Likewise, the Heart Association tells us
that we should eat a low-fat diet, and the Cancer Society came out in 2015 and made
the professional statement the doctors to treat people with cancer with a plant
food based diet. That’s where, that’s from the American Cancer Society. They don’t quite know
what to do, but they know that in the studies done, people who have cancer, like
prostate, breast, colon cancers, melanomas, this was published in February of 2015,
the American Cancer Society’s official position on part of the basic
fundamental treatment of a cancer patient is a good diet. But, you know, that
has never transferred into any changes in practice. You watch CNN news or
60 minutes or whatever–what you find is they’re sponsored by the drug industries. And, you know, these medications they, they have some effects, but the
overall effects when it comes to chronic disease are, you know, with few exceptions
more harm is done than good. Now let’s talk about the good news: you
can get well if you realize that you suffer from diseases of kings and queens.
You just look in the mirror. 80% of people in the United States
and Canada are overweight, about 40% are obese.
In Newfoundland, we actually have the worst rates of chronic disease, and the same for being overweight and obese, including childhood obesity. You do up in your town? Yeah. Newfoundland is an island, and the province is Newfoundland and Labrador and Labrador is part of the mainland; it’s attached to Quebec, just further up north. I have an idea where you live.
We’ve got some pretty bad rates of chronic degenerative diseases; and, so here’s a
question that I would like to ask, this for my viewers, and it’s just to get a
sense of, you know, what are chronic degenerative diseases? And, you know,
people, a lot of people think it’s just an inevitable part of aging, that it’s a result of living longer, and this should be expected. And, you know, they have a family history,
so they say, “Well I’m just gonna have to take drugs, and adding a bit of weight on, you know, that’s just part of getting older as well.” Well, yeah, the fact is we do get older and we do die.
But chronic diseases, I can I think separate them into a couple of
categories they’ll make it easier for your listeners to understand. There are
acute illnesses, which the medical profession does a great job with. For
example, if you get it on auto accident or you get burnt or… you know, we’re
really good at patching people up, but that’s from a single injury, you know,
like you know a crushing of the bone or an attack of bacteria. But these are
single injuries to the body those are acute illnesses, and
doctors can intervene and tip the balance [in favor] of their patient. And we
shouldn’t lose sight of the fact that this is very important, but only
represents maybe 10-20% of the problems that doctors see. The other 80% of problems due to not single injuries, but repeated
injuries. And that’s how you get chronic disease. For example, if you
repeatedly inhale 20 cigarettes a day or 40 cigarettes a day, then you can develop
a chronic cough and chronic bronchitis due to repeated injuries. If
you just smoke one cigarette, you know, maybe once a month, [you won’t develop] this problem. So, it’s the same thing with the other chronic diseases we have but the the
injuring agent here is the food. And when you eat like a king and a queen, I’ll
repeat for you, you end up looking like a king and a queen.
And most of the people, in fact, one of of the statements I’d like your listeners to memorize, because it’s an argument that you can use against all of the low-carbers, the high meat people, the–you know all the crazy people out there in
the world recommending one diet or another–and that is the observation, you
know, if you’re a historian, you’re involved in theologies, if you have been
able to observe geographic differences in people’s appearance, in their health,
worldwide, you’ll come to the conclusion that all large successful populations of
people throughout all verifiable human history have lived on a diet where
the bulk of the calories have come from starch. Starch. Now starch is plant
parts, these are, starches are plant parts.They can be above ground, or they
can be below ground, where carbohydrate is stored for the plant’s use. If they’re
underground starches they’d be called, um, they would be thought of as root vegetables
like potatoes and sweet potatoes and bulbs, corms. Above ground storage
organs, starch, which the plant makes for itself, so it can re-germinate, it can become a new, when winter is over,
starch is stored above ground in grains in grains and legumes, these are above-ground storage organs. So if you look around the world throughout history what you find
is that the bulk of people who’ve lived on planet earth have lived on starch-based
diets. Let’s start with Asia. You know typically when you think of people from
Korea, China, Vietnam, Japan, etc., you think of people who are rice eaters primarily.
They, of course, you know, there are other starches that populations in Asia lived on, but it’s always been starches. If you take a look at people in
Central America what you find is that for 1300 years the Aztecs and
Mayans had civilizations which were based on corn. These were known as the
people of the corn. They fought battles they had
athletic events, they bore children, you know they survived a tremendous
hardship living on corn and a few vegetables and very very little animal
food. You know, we could talk about South America and the Incas, living on
potatoes and quinoa. Wherever you look in the world you find that almost everybody,
before they became rich, you know, there were a few kings and queens and pharaohs
and priests and priestesses along the way, but the–but most of the people
couldn’t afford to eat all the animal foods and all the other delicacies. If
you just take, and stop and realize what you already know to be true either from
your history lessons or your own observations because you’re a traveler
or your observations because you watched documentaries or you’re a religious person and you read the Bible or the Koran, you know, you come to the conclusion that
people have lived on starch-based diets: rice, corn, potatoes, sweet
potatoes, beans and so on. Exceptions are a few populations that live at the
extremes in the environment. And you know, you’re talking about sixty thousand
people in the Inuit Eskimos, up near where you
live.[…] populations I imagine live up in that area, and these people you know they would burn 4000-7000 calories a day. They couldn’t live on the diet I recommend. It would be,
they wouldn’t have to enough time in the day. But the environment, that cold
environment up there has allowed the Inuit Eskimo to survive on a diet which is
basically the Atkins diet. For seven months of the year, their diet is
based on animal products, for three months of the year or three to five
months the year they have a little vegetable food but otherwise it was, uh–
but they didn’t do well. They had, the Inuit Eskimo had terrible atherosclerosis, and, more atherosclerosis than the
average American. Lifespan is, you know, we’re talking about the traditional
Inuit Eskimo. But I use the word Eskimo, I know it offends some people but
history and scientific literature refers to these populations of people as Eskimos that was before […]” civilized,” so to speak
Americanized. Now, the typical person living in these regions, the native people in these
regions, they go fishing with the “green lure.” Go fishing with a green lure means
you drive through the fast food line, you roll down the window, and you hand a
green lure out and the person behind the counter hands you a fish burger. That’s
your, you know, that’s…and they’re some of the sickest people in the world. I know a
lot of […Alaskans], I realize that’s on the other side of the
continent from you, and I may not be speaking it as accurately as, you can
confirm o,r you know, put me in the proper perspective. Well it’s quite similar here. People who grew up in Newfoundland and had their families grow up in Newfoundland; they had families that came over for the cod fishing, and they have a history of being able to survive
the cold climate. You know, we can have winter from November to May or the start
of June. Pretty cold, and a short growing season. And what people grew up
on, not that long ago, was a salted fish, usually cod, salted meat, salt pork, wild
game, [like] moose, caribou, turr, seal, wild berries, and root vegetables they would
grow themselves, a lot of cabbage and potatoes and carrots and beets and that
sort of thing, and then in addition they would have flour usually white flour and
sugar and margin. And that’s pretty much what people grew up on, what they were used to.
And then if you go further up north into Labrador the diets are more like what you’re talking about, sort of typical Eskimo diet. So today there’s a push to return
to the traditional ways of eating because of our healthcare crisis. People
are, you know, saying, they’re struggling with their weight, and they’re on
are a lot of medications, they don’t know what to do about it. They want to return to
real food, to a lifestyle that was was more active. So, you talk a bit
about how the Eskimos didn’t do so well, and I was wondering if you could talk a bit more about the “Eskimo Paradox,” and similar populations around the world where people tend to
easily become overweight and obese when the Westernize their diet. Well if the people from
Newfoundland who their grandfathers grandmothers and certainly their great
grandfathers and grandmothers, if they were going to eat from the land they
would also have to live the same kind of lifestyle. In other words, they’d have to live in igloos they’d have to go out on hunting
expeditions; that was a very tough life. Extremely cold climate. Whereas today, the
people in that region of the world have been, again Westernized,
and they rattling around the heated SUVs and heated homes, and, you know, I’ll go
back to the population of people I do know which is the people who live in Alaska. They
have some of the worst tooth decay, obesity, you know, we’re talking about
half the population having type 2 diabetes.[They’re] just terribly sick and this goes through not just the native
populations in Newfoundland and Alaska but in the Native American populations who used to live on corn, like, for example, the Pima Indians in Arizona. 60%
of them have gall bladder disease, about 60% have diabetes, obesity is
rampant, it’s not just being overweight. And these Pima Indians are from a
lineage where you know people originally grew up on corn based diet and about
three hundred years ago they split off one group went to Arizona another group
went to Northwest Mexico to Copper Canyon. And so we have the same genes–
they’re an interesting population of people to study–we have the same genes
but we have a different environment. The population that went to the reservations,
they were put on US reservations, so they could steal their land, the populations
that went on the reservations that were taken care of by the good old American
government had become very, very sick. Whereas the Tarahumara Indians, they’re called, the Tarahumara people, who live in Copper Canyon, they have a very tough
life now because of the drug cartel, but up until recently they were some of the
healthiest people on the planet. They’re known as the running Indians. They run
for 12 hours a day. They have cholesterol levels typically below 130 milligrams per deciliter, to later to translate that into
Canadian units you divide by 38, to get international units. They had no heart
disease, no diabetes, and still they have maintained their native diet, for the
most part, in people who live in the Copper Canyon who are known as the Tarahumara Indians, and they maintain a diet of corn and squash and beans and they’re immune
basically immune from the Western diseases. Like I say, it’s tough life down
there now because Copper Canyon is a great place for drug dealers to hide and they
brought the crime, a terrible lot of crime to these people. But here you have
a perfect example of the same genes which come from these populations, one going to
Arizona and they being the Pima Indians and getting among the fattest and sickest
people in the world; and another segment of the same genes going to
Northwest Mexico, the Copper Canyon, and maintaining their native diet of corn,
squash and beans, who have virtually none of the diseases of the Western
civilization. But there are many, many examples you can you can find with the
same thing over and over again. But my point being is you’re going to run
into all kinds of people who have the truth. They will tell you that you need
to eat an all-meat diet or a gluten-free diet, which is a whole other subject we can get into,
or a diet, this happens to be the most popular diet is by a guy named I think it’s Grundy is
his name, it’s a diet without lectins, which are plant food parts. You know, all
kinds of crazy things people’ll talk about. But if you just step back and realize
that of–I used to say 10 billion people who walked planet Earth–I was corrected
by a professor at the university, who told me 100 billion people have walked this Earth–
I mean 99.99% of the people who walked this Earth have consumed a starch-based diet.
Now it’s really important that listeners hear the word Starch, otherwise they’re gonna fail. If they try to live on broccoli
and cauliflower, lettuce and kale and so on, they’re gonna starve to death. And a lot
of people are trying to do that. The idea is they want to get a
nutrient-dense diet. Well, good grief, there are enough nutrients in white
rice to almost win WWII. The Japanese almost won WWII living on a
diet of over 90% white rice; and, in Vietnam, they won against the Americans. […] the Vietnamese conflict on a diet that was over 90% white rice. So it’s never a nutritional deficiency problem.
There has been in the past problems of refined grains leading to beriberi and
scurvy and so on but not in this day and age. So you can prove it to yourself, you
can look at the Bible, you can see that Genesis talks about the original diet of
man being a plant-based diet. You can read the first chapter of Daniel and
Daniel publishes the first controlled trials of diet when his men came to the
new kingdom where they were serving lots of rich food and Daniel asks the
gatekeeper can I keep my men on pulses and water, which are Starches and
water, and in the first chapter of Daniel you’ll see declared that his men, Daniel’s
men, who stayed on the pulses and water, at the end of 10 days were much healthier,
much stronger, better-looking than those who ate the royal food diet, the Kings
diet. So again, the observations that you can make based upon religion, history,
geography, common sense, anatomy, physiology of a human being–clearly says that we are a starch- eating population. I have to say, from my own personal experience, I grew up in Chicago, and I had kind of a similar experience with food [as you did], I had my tonsils removed when I was eight years old
they were always swollen, so my ears would get infected, I was lethargic, and felt I had too much weight; I was just a little kid, and I was
wondering you know, why–what’s the difference? And I noticed other kids around me, see how they would snack on an apple instead of ice cream or chips, how they would look different, healthier. And a good friend of mine became vegetarian after reading Upton Sinclair’s book, The
Jungle. And that was before I was 10 or 12 and just looking at that, I thought to myself, “I am supposed to eat fruits and vegetables.” and I just didn’t know how to go about it, so, you know, I ended up going to read–my mom would take us to the bookstore, where we could spend our allowance, and I would go to the bargain book section, and started
looking at books that talk about fruits and vegetables, all of the benefits. I kind of struggled along trying to
figure it out, but, what I did find, when I actually listened to some of your talks as well, it matched my experience, that if I didn’t have starches, I was thinking about food all the time I felt very, I guess food insecure, because I wanted to eat
well, but if I didn’t have those starches, I was always hungry, and I didn’t
have the right kind of energy. And because I wanted to be free of medication, travel
[…] and I didn’t have a lot of money, I wanted
keep it sustainable and to be able to do this anywhere.
So yeah just from watching people and then from eating the foods and feeling
it and but I have to since the likes I eat so low that you getting with the
starch based diet there’s no vegetable oil I actually I
don’t get hungry, I just know when my energy’s low, and I don’t have any food
craving and I think it’s just incredible the way that it’s like… Well, you know, anybody can–you need to have your eyes opened first. And of course, you have your own history of how your eyes were opened, and I can tell you an hour- long story, you could read about it in some of the books of that I’ve written, about how my eyes were opened, or you can go to my December–my 2013 newsletters. You can learn about my mentors, people like Denis
Burkitt and Nathan Pritikin and Walter Kempner and Roy Swank. These are men,
they happen to all be men, who pioneered the kind of treatment that that I use
in taking care of my patients, have for the last 40 years. I’ve been doing this
40 years. And you know, anybody who is frustrated because they can’t find a diet that’s satisfying, they can’t find a diet that gives them the health they
want, that will fill them up and keep their weight trim, you know, [it’ll] take you, well, probably seven days to figure out what the truth is. I’ve run for, oh, let’s see
it’s been almost 32 years, I’ve run the residential programs, I’ve taken care of
personally, I mean I’ve been a physician, I don’t do that anymore, but as a physician, I’ve taken care of over 6000 people. And you know, we run a 10-day live-in program, a residential program, where we give a phenomenal education to
folks. They stay with us in Santa Rosa California we take them off their medications, in
most cases. In fact, you can read our published research, and it’s never been
criticized, it’s open to access, you just have to look up my name
McDougall, John and Diet, and you’ll find the various papers I’ve written. But one
in particular was written about our patients of ten years of patient data,
which was one thousand six hundred and fifteen people, nobody excluded, the went
through the ten day program, and the data we collected was over seven days. The
average weight loss eating as much as they could or wanted to eat, was 3.1 pounds; the average drop in cholesterol was 22 points, again
international units you divide by 38 to make a conversion; the drop in blood sugars were, you know, tremendous. We were we’ve been able to get essentially
everybody who has type 2 diabetes off their medications, and their blood sugar [went] down as good or better–in seven days. And eventually, just by definition, all type-2 diabetics are curable by weight loss and a good diet, so, you know, it
wasn’t surprising. Anyway, we could read the scientific paper you can find it on my
website or you could go to PubMed. My website is drmcdougall.com, D-R-M-C-D-O-U-G-A-L-L dot com, and there you’ll find a plethora of information, that by the way
is all free. There are people who will write me every once in a while and say, “You know, I’ve spent two weeks on your website and I’m looking for the gimmick. Where’s the gimmick? Well, there are no gimmicks. Mary, my wife, best friend for 46 years,
we decided a long time ago that we were going to give this away for free. Well
initially because nobody would buy it, but primarily
because we felt our lives were saved by learning… You know, I told you my history,
before I was 28 years old–I was dying. Mary, my wife, partner, she was a little
more moderate in her behavior and she’d probably still have done okay Anyway, we take people, we take about 60
people every month or two into this live-in situation, where we give them a
great education; we’re also taking care of various employees of companies-excuse
me, employees of various companies, for example we take care of the employees of
Whole Foods Markets; and there’s a company up here in the northwest of the
U.S. called CenturyLink, I don’t know whether you have that telecommunication company there or
not, but they send their employees to our program. And the reason they do it is
because they see tremendous financial savings for their companies. So anyways,
we take care people in a live-in setting. [If there is] information that you need, it’s on the website, including a QuickStart program, you probably find six hundred recipes,
discussions of all kinds of topics from multiple sclerosis to rheumatoid
arthritis to type two diabetes–all referenced extremely well because I had
this passion for the scientific literature. No one has ever come back
to me and said, “John, you know, you were, you were overly biased, you distorted the
what science says; and I’ve been at this for more than forty years, I’ve been a
physician for more than 50 years, and you know, to my face there’s never been
any criticism. And I published in some of the major medical journals and I spoke
in [some of the major] you know professional conferences, and a lot of people don’t like what I have to say, but they never denied it to be true. And again, the observation that you all
should make, rather than, you know, arguing the science, which, by the way, is paid
for by industry these days, is you should just rely upon that observation
I’ve told you, and that is throughout all of human history, all large–remember the Inuit population was not large–successful–the Inuit population,
you know, don’t take this as a criticism but it was not very advanced, [It has been] a rough primitive life–all large, successful populations of people, those living in Asia, in South America,
North America lived on a diet where the bulk of the calories had come from starch. You know, it was too hard to get animals, fortunately. But let me just take a side note for you
here. Do you want to know why the hunter-gatherer theory has been focused
on the hunter? In other words […] the argument that we’re all hunter-gatherers and with the
emphasis on the hunter; well it’s a gender bias thing. It’s a male dominance
thing. We talked about what the men did, they went out and maybe were gone
for two weeks and maybe they got an animal and maybe they brought it back before it was rotten, but who is collecting the food for the village?
It was the grandparents, the children, women. So the hunter-gatherer theory as
far as almost all 99.99% of the populations, the exceptions being people
living on the extremes in the environment, the hunter-gatherer
theory must look at who obtained most of the calories, and it was the women, the
grandparents, the kids; the men got the glory, just as they do today.
Gender bias. two more things to talk about but I
think I will talk a bit more in depth about the diet that you recommend,and when people go on your diet, you say that they should expect the results […] of lower blood sugar, lowered cholesterol, losing weight.
So why is that, and how long–you said about seven days to get results–and what
success have you had with compliance? Okay. Well this is all published. Our
study on compliance was done [at] Oregon Health and Science University Medical
School in Portland, Oregon. And they studied a group of our patients looking at the
effects of our diet on multiple sclerosis. We found some
very positive effects, unfortunately we didn’t have enough
money to really show the kind of effects we wanted to show but for example we got
significant tremendous relief of fatigue, the average weight loss–this was a study
done, a randomized control trial done completely independent of me except that
I educated the people, they came to my 10-Day live-in program, after that, well,
before that I did not gather the participants, they did, they randomized
the participants, they collected the data they analyzed the data, they published the
paper–I had nothing to do with it. But the results were, first of all they
were surprised by compliance. I can remember the day that I walked into my
principal investigators office at the neurology department in Oregon Health
and Science University and she had the biggest smile on her face. She says, “John,
I cannot believe this, the compliance rate is huge!” They had found that 85% of
people remain compliant and they published this in scientific paper, never been
criticized, 85% of people remained compliant for a
year. Why? Because the food tastes good. Why? Because the results were so dramatic. Why? Because they cut their food bill. Why? Because it’s blended with their
concern for animal rights. Why? Because it fitted with their concern for planetary
destruction, global warming. You know, it just was felt right to ’em. So 85% of
people remained complaint for a year, independent of any further education on
our part. We got an average of 20 pound weight loss that was sustained for a
year; an average of 20 point drop in cholesterol which was sustained for a
year; and all kinds of phenomenal benefits that we see every day.
So the compliance rates are quite high. This study, again, is published in the
scientific literature, you can look it up it’s in MS and related diseases, which is
the journal, but just look up my name and multiple sclerosis and you’ll find a
scientific stay, which, by the way, even though it was published, what I think was
published in 2015, I might have the date wrong on that, but [it’s] never been criticized. [It] has changed the subject matter of neurologic problems worldwide. They’re all
talking about diet now, and Oregon Health and Science University they’ve told me,
the professors there in the neurology departments, they want to be
known as the diet-MS center of the world. Because a good diet will stop multiple sclerosis. Multiple sclerosis is caused by the Western diet. It’s an autoimmune disease. So compliance
is high, benefits are dramatic–it’s just like if you quit smoking.
Anybody who knows a chronic cigarette smoker knows that they get better in…
seven days! You know, almost immediately, just by stopping the poison. Or an
alcoholic, you know, they stop falling down, like, within three or four days
after they’re stopping the drinking. The problem that people are suffering from
in Western societies, which is now, you know, the bulk of the people in the world,
the problem people are suffering from is food poisoning,
due to animal products and vegetable oils. And, you know, I initially say that
to a lot of folks and they say, “Well, that’s all I eat.” Well that’s because you, you haven’t
to this point understood that the human being is the starch eater, a starchivore, a starchitarian. And once you get this set in your mind, it really [is] a big step, because the education by the meat and dairy industry
and the food industry it’s so brainwashing. It’s very difficult for
people to get their mind wrapped around the idea that they’re eating the wrong
food. Which is like, I was talking to my daughter–we have company visiting– so I was talking to her about her animals last night, and she’s talking about how
sick her cats were, and then once they changed the cats to a wet food meat diet
all the cats’ condition cleared up. Now, there’s a diet for cats, they won’t live
on baked potatoes. They’re carnivores, and that’s what they’re supposed to eat.
Well there’s diet for human beings, too, and that’s a starch-based diet, with a
few fruits and vegetables. Animal foods in the form of animal secretions, which
are known as dairy products, or animal flesh or organs or [whatever] animal parts that you can eat, are not only not necessary, but the body can only tolerate a small amount of them. The body does tolerate them, just like the body will tolerate a little alcohol, a little smoking,
but [it won’t tolerate it at the level of consumption that has been traditional for] aristocrats in the past. People in Canada,
people in Europe, people in now China, and of course, the U.S. led the way, they all
look like kings and queens. And they, you know, they’re helpless, because you’re not
gonna solve the problem by being hungry; you’re not gonna solve problem by
making yourself sick, which is what you do by going on a diet like the Atkins
diet, you become sick, you lose your appetite, […] you’re not gonna get well by following a lot of the other gimmicky diets.
The biggest one here is the Keto diet. A lot of people, if you go into the bookstores now… I’d say about couple months ago, it was all plant-based, vegetarian, and now they’ve got the keto books right next to the vegan as well. And it’s just another fad that people are jumping on, [….] because they lose weight so quickly.
Well, they do, because they get sick. You know, first they lose a lot of water
and protein, and they lose their glycogen stores not eating carbohydrates, as a result they lose six to ten pounds in a week, of water weight and loss of glycogen, which is your sugar stored in your muscles. And so they get excited and then and then if they
can maintain it, which they can’t, even Robert Atkins was fat. I did a video,
you’ve probably seen it, on people in our camp, [that] teacher a high-starch diet, and people in their camp, like Sally Fallon, Loren Cordain, and Barry Sears and Robert Atkins–
they’re all fat and sick people. Let’s just look at the gurus, and you’ll see that you
don’t want to do what they’re doing, you know the ones that recommend the low-carb diets are fat and sick. Now, I never predicted it but I’ve outlived Atkins. I’m older than he was when he died. And, uh, anyway. I know that if I had maintained eating the diet, hadn’t had my eyes opened as a plantation doctor, yeah
and so for the for your diet, could you tell us, what it is, in detail,
that you recommend, and why we shouldn’t be concerned about protein, calcium,
omega-3s and vitamin D? Well, the diet I recommend is a starch- based diet. When you look at your plate
you should, let’s see, 90% of the food is rice or potatoes or sweet potatoes. You cannot
live on above-ground storage organs alone, which would be grains and legumes,
because they’re missing [vitamins] A and C, so you must have a little bit of A and C, which come from fruits and vegetables. You can live on a diet of underground storage organs alone. You can live on a diet of potatoes and water. That shows you how complete the food is and how simple
our needs are. So the diet I recommend is starch-based, [which is] what traditionally
people [have eaten], almost everybody that has walked the earth. When you look at your plate
you should see that about 90% of the food is starch, with maybe 10% being
fruits and vegetables; and if you still choose to consume treats, delicacies, status food, I don’t know what you want
to call it, you’re gonna get you’re gonna get away with eating some turkey on
Thanksgiving, eating a candy bar on Halloween, a
piece of cake on your birthday. Unfortunately, most of us, we start every
day with a holiday called Easter; we go on to another couple holidays, every day,
like, Thanksgiving and Christmas and we finish every meal with birthday party.
And as a result we end up fat and sick. So, we have almost 4,000 published
recipes you can get from 500-600 of them on my website, drmcougall.com, for free. We also have the mcdougall mobile cooking app, which has over a thousand recipes, I
think it’s $5, people love that app. You need to find
one or two or three things you like. Every morning Mary and I have oatmeal because it’s easy. She makes it, or we have a a food company called Dr. McDougall’s Right Foods, which
is in over six thousand stores. Now, I don’t know whether it’s in your part of
the world or not, there’s a problem with having food products in Canada because
they must have French labels on them, you know, so, I don’t know how our sales have gone up there, but we’re in 6,000 stores in the U.S. Almost every store, almost every
store that sells groceries has Dr. McDougall’s Right Foods. So we’ll
start in the morning with breakfast with oatmeal, either, that Mary has made
or Dr. McDougall’s Right Foods oat meals, and then there are just a few
dishes that we really enjoy, that we make over and over again, such as Thai noodles,
that’s one of my favorites, and, you know, it tastes better than any Thai Noodles
you’ve ever had. Another favorite of mine I could probably live on it for three meals a
day, seven days a week, is mashed potatoes. I have mashed potatoes with peas or corn, some gravy that Mary makes–actually that’s
been one of my favorite dishes for my whole life, for the past 70 years plus, is
mashed potatoes and gravy, [some] peas and corn. The gravy used to be made from
beef stock, and now Mary makes it from a vegetable stock. So, you don’t have to make a diet of great variety; you can just pick a few things you like, make them over and over again,
people are very monotonous in there eating. I mean, think about, it if
you go to a restaurant, you’re eating the same thing from that menu at their restaurant
every time you go–it’s the same thing for breakfast every day, you have two or three
different things for lunch or dinner, even if they’re on the American diet.
So, we have over four thousand recipes published. You need to find four or five
foods you like. And we use a little bit of salt, a little sugar to make them taste better, for
most people, there are [exceptions] who can’t use salt and sugar;
and, you know, people love of food, and they love the results and they’re amazed by
the results. And I can tell you how good it makes me feel, and the seven doctors
who work with me, when we take in people as many as 150 people at a time at our
clinics, it’s very, extremely rewarding for our staff, when you come to the McDougall programs in Santa Rosa, California,
just see how enthusiastic the staff is because we have a chance to change
people’s lives, to make other people’s lives better. There’s no greater reward
than that. Right before our eyes, you know, you see people lose… I gave you the data on average…oh I didn’t do the data on medications, so published data
shows that we get nearly 90% of people to reduce or stop all their blood
pressure and diabetic medications. That’s not bad! You don’t want to be a sick
person, you don’t want to be you living your life filled with doctors
appointments, trying to remember what pill you have to take at what time of
the day; you want your health back. The way to get your health back is to stop
the cause of the illnesses, and the cause of the illnesses in the rich societies
is very simple: we eat animal foods, oils, you know, and various other, you know, refined foods and junk. And the way to solve the problem is you stop throwing
gasoline on the fire. And people get well, and then they get well permanently. You
can go to my website drmcdougall.com, you’ll see about 200 Star McDougaller stories. These are typical results of people being cured of rheumatoid
arthritis, lupus, psoriatic arthritis, stopping very severe
heart disease that was destined for a bypass surgery or angioplasty; so people
who, even people who have had cancer, even though we don’t advertise
as a place that treats cancer. The American Cancer Society, as I told you, in
February 2015 told all the doctors in the United States that they oughta have
as part of the fundamental treatment for their patients a plant food based diet.
We see benefits with cancer patients also. Yeah [you have pretty great testimonials, and with] cancer, as well, I think Dr. T Colin Campbell is doing a study, or some studies…Dr. Campbell, of course, is one man on our team, a healthy 85 year old gentleman. He’s been a good friend of mine for
almost 30 years, and he’s published on diet and cancer and he’s done some basic
research, so, you know, but I have to tell you–my colleagues are slow learners. And
I…and this is all based on income. If we change the reward for the treatment to
one where we reward good health as opposed to just treatment, then everything would
change. But even then, at Oregon Health and Science University, where they saw
miraculous changes in people’s health they’re still pushing useless drugs,
drugs that have been proven to not benefit the patients in terms of primary
outcomes, like living longer. They benefit secondary things, like, well they’re
secondary things. […] […] from your treatments.
So, the medical journals are quite clear that these drugs, that cost, you know, I
used to say they cost $75,000 a year but at a meeting I had with the faculties at OHSU last month, they told me, they corrected me, and they say, “No, Joh,n now the drugs
are $100 thousand dollars a year.” Just for the drugs!
Anyway, OHSU had the experience of seeing people cured; dramatic, dramatic benefits
to their health. The head of the neurology department told me, “John, I’ve never had a patient come up and thank me for putting them on a
interferon beta,” you know, $100,000 a year drug, he said, “But, you know, in the
last couple of years taking care of your patients, typically I have people come in
in tears because of the benefits that they’ve received from a healthy diet: the
weight loss, a chance to play with their children and grandchildren.” The
reward has been tremendous. In fact, OHSU, the neurology department, is trying to
start a dietary program, independent of mine. I don’t know whether they’ll ever
do it, because they personally haven’t made the commitment. They personally are too busy to take care of, let alone, their own selves, to much less teach the
people with MS about a good diet. But our results are there and they’re
published, they’re un-criticized, which is not problem. Well […] so easily,
the knowledge and the research now, thanks to yourself and other websites like
nutritionstudies.org and nutritionfacts.org, people can empower
themselves to take health into their own hands, and start on an [individual] basis. Well people can, and first they have to
realize that what’s being done for them this isn’t working. You know, you’re
getting a bunch of excuses and a handful of pills from your doctor. And you went
with good intentions, your doctor probably approached you with good
intentions, but unfortunately he or she does not have the tools to make a difference. You know, they may change some secondary issues, such as your
cholesterol level but they don’t prevent heart attacks. Well, excuse me,
statin drugs do prevent heart attacks, but only in really sick people.
The benefits are minor whereas the dietary change, maybe sound like a big
deal to you, but, you know, big changes result in big improvements. If you’re
gonna make, you know, if your diet changes to skin[less] chicken and to eat skim
milk instead of whole milk, you’re not gonna get any real benefit. You must make
a major change in your fuel source, and that should be appealing to many of you.
You should think about things that you like that are starches, like french
toast or pancakes or oatmeal or you know grain burgers or spaghetti in marinara
sauce or mashed potatoes I mean things that you already love, and put a little salt sugar and spice on to enhance the flavor, and again there are
certain exceptions, people who can’t use these are enhancing ingredients, but most
people can. And, you’ll have to be prepared to get off your medications. As I say we stopped or reduced nearly 90
percent of drugs within seven days, that people have taken for 5, 10, 20
years, and their numbers are better; if they don’t stop the blood pressure
pills and the diabetic pills, the sugars and blood pressures get so low [they run the] risk of falling; and so anyway you need to have your eyes opened, to realize that the medical
business, even though it’s trying, it’s an extremely profitable business and the
bottom line is what they’re concerned about–that has to do with selling drugs
and heart surgeries and building hospitals, etc. I think one of the biggest
changes or reasons for people to you look at what they’re eating out now, and it’s getting a lot of attention, is climate change So here, food security is a major issue because we’re an island, and most of the food that people eat these days is important
so we get a lot of food delivered by boat or by plane, and if there’s poor
weather then ice can block ships from coming in. So, it
used to be we had the cod fishery, it was a big business here that people lived on but, as you know, the fish stocks are so low […] they were talking about
this summer, they might have to stop salmon fishing
because they were threatened. So now there is a mussel farm and they’ve just started
a salmon farm, and there’s a push for starting more animal agriculture and
aquaculture here on the island. So people are moving, as well, toward homesteading, just, your average person wants to grow their own vegetables and keep some
livestock, like chickens and goats for goat milk and cheese and turkey.
so what I want to ask about now is what’s the issue with animal
agriculture even if you have it free-range and grass-fed and its local
and you know like for us you’re trying to be food secure, is there a
different [way we can go]? Well, you know, this is what keeps me going,
this is why I get up every morning with optimism. I have seven grandchildren. As a
matter of fact, they’re, you know, all visiting today, at our, Mary and I, this
is one of our yearly gatherings of our seven–three children, their spouses,
and there are seven grandchildren. They have no future, you know, they have no
future. Up where you are, the global warming in the northern latitudes and southern
latitudes, as you get further away from the equator, the effects of global
warming are even greater, so you must be seeing tremendous changes. We are seeing them where we live, too. As a matter of fact, the reason I live in Portland, Oregon
now is because in October, October 9th 2017,
everything I own was taken by the wildfires in California. So we’re having massive wildfires on the west coast, massive hurricanes on the East Coast, the polar caps are melting, and the
cause–there are many causes, and they’re focused on things that
need to be changed, like transportation, you know, how to generate energy that is
environmentally friendly. But one of the things that’s never talked about there
really isn’t, it’s just so rare for folks to talk about this is the impact
of the livestock industry. The World Health Organization did a report that they
published in 2006, came to the conclusion that the livestock industry accounts for
18% of the global warming gases which is more than all of transportation it’s
more than any other segment of the economy as far as causing global
warming gases. The World Watch Institute reanalyzed their data and they just they
came to the conclusion that over half the global warming gases were caused by the
livestock industry. Now, you know, I have […] calm. Now, I don’t know
where I live, it’s not conducive to solar panels; I would have solar panels.
and those are good things, but it’ll take 10 to 20 years to show an impact; whereas
food is something that, you know, 7 billion people on this planet could change
overnight if they’ve got enough education from honest physicians and
dietitians and politicians and so on about the impact of the livestock
industry on our environment and how your children and your grandchildren, they’re not
going to have a place to live. I hate to say that, but every time I pick up a
newspaper, every report I hear talks about a worse outcome than they
predicted just a couple of months ago, things are going so fast. So we need an
intervention like a change to a starch-based diet, to save the planet, you know. I don’t think it’s ever going to happen, if you want truth. But
consider the fact that production of beef is a hundred times more
environmentally destructive than the production of the same number of
calories of potatoes. So if we want to save the world you’ve got to do it with
dietary change, as the immediate step forward. We need to do all these several things, in terms of power production and travel and so on, but you know even with all
that effort we’re not gonna [fix it] without fixing the diet, because it’s so
environmentally unfriendly livestock even the fish farming, that you talked about, is environmentally terribly unfriendly. And people are eating foods [that are] destroying the planet, that is poisonous to themselves, to their spouses, to their
fathers and mothers, to their children, and it’s causing a worldwide epidemic
that is highly profitable to the drug industries, the food industries, the
hospitals, the doctors, etc. It’s all money, folks, it’s not a conspiracy. It’s
just people doing business. And, if the consequence, you know–we really have very little chance of saving planet Earth. But I ain’t giving up! […] I hope your viewers
take at least part of our message, you know, and have their eyes opened, to start
looking into how to save themselves, their families, contribute to their
communities, the world at large. You can combine all the bad habits that people
have: heroin addiction, cigarette smoking, alcoholism, etc, you can combine all of
those and look at the cost to individuals, to families, to local
communities, to countries, to the planet and all the cost of all of these bad habits,
so to speak, is minuscule compared to the cost of food poisoning that’s
occurring. I mean, after all growing tobacco and growing alcohol–it’s environmentally friendly; growing heroin it’s not like I’m recommending these things…everybody’s up in arms about recognized bad habits–of course, the alcohol and tobacco industry
don’t believe it’s true–and they need to focus their attention on the livestock
industry, [it’s] the only way that I see that we have a chance to saving ourselves. Well, I hope it was a good amount of time [spent] with your viewers, and I hope they will take your message and the contribution that Mary and I
have made, along with our fellow colleagues, and, don’t hold back. You know, the consequences are too great
to be politically correct. So whatever talents you have, you know, whether you’re a physicist or a florist or gardener, you know, whatever your
talents are, a lawyer, a doctor, good communicator, you know, go out there and
try and open up other people’s eyes. It’s too important, it’s to impossible for just a
few of us individuals to make a change, we need everybody’s help. I’m just going to tell you some of the
things that people can grow here and and then you can we can accurately
sustainable and thrive on a nutritionally. I’m so here in Newfoundland, in our climate, and it’s even greater now that […] been technologies
for greenhouses […] we grow potatoes..Potatoes can grow almost any place rutabagas, which we call turnips here, but a rutabaga, cabbage, kale, and then of course, there’s other varieties, so we’ve got tons of wild berries,
blueberries, raspberries everywhere so just on those things alone, we would be
able to, you know, be sustainable and to thrive nutritionally? Well, yeah. We have,
we have a world that has the possibility, with the communication we have you know
the possibility of making changes that will make all the difference. Just, you know, [if] we can just get the message about the truth about food out to people, we would give
us some more time. We need more time. There are a lot of
good people out there trying to solve the problems related to fossil fuels, but
we’re really, you know, you and I and a few other folks out there, are really the
only ones that are directly addressing the most easily and quickly changeable
most destructive part of our, of our living, which is the food. So many problems will be solved. You could close 80% of the
hospitals. You could you put the pharmaceutical business–well, you know,
there’s some drugs that are of some help, but you could tone them down
considerably. Anyway, it’s the food, folks, it’s the food
go to drmcdougall.com, and you will see the subtitle: It’s the food! I’m going to provide a link to your website […] I spent 40 years working hard,
doing professional lectures, writing books, we have 13 national best-selling books,
six of them are still in active publication, some of them after 25 years, they’re such popular
books, we send out bi-weekly mailings of lectures that I’ve given at events that we’re having, for example we start a program the end of January, [a]
10-day program, that will have about 50-60 people that we’ll take care of, and I
believe in March or May of this year 2019 we have a weekend which will be
attended by you know somewhere between 150 and 300 people, so we have a lot of
educational opportunities all the way from totally free, completely covering
the subject on our website. We can’t take you totally free on our adventure
vacations or keep you at our clinic, but if you want the information, there’s
nothing held back, it’s all there. I have to say, your website was a huge resource for me, and where I don’t really
have a lot of money, I just devoured everything on your
website the free e lectures, the interviews with
experts, the webinars […] the hot topics, the newsletters.
It’s an incredible wealth of information. I’m I’m glad you appreciate it. I have doctors
who tell me all over the country that you know, when they look at a topic first
thing they do is to go to my website look what I have to say about it and
then pretty much, from there they can dissect out the truth. The truth is the
truth, it doesn’t change, it hasn’t changed you know since the Egyptian
pharaohs or Daniel in the Bible or anything you’ve ever […] the truth is the same, you know, we we can tolerate a you know a little bit poison, the human being can,
that includes tobacco, a little opioid, a little alcohol, but it gets out of hand. You know, you can
tolerate a piece of birthday cake on your birthday but you can’t have a
birthday party twice a day. […] there’s no profit. I’m [jut going to share] some of your books, and then close up. So for people who are
interested in some of Dr. McDougall’s books, this one I highly recommend, The
Starch Solution. That’s a world-wide national best-seller. [I’d say] that’s the best book that we’ve written. But it’s kinda interesting, my son, who’s a professor at
OHSU, the medical school here in Portland, he told me as he through his medical
education, and he started reading his dad’s books, he said, “Dad, you said it all
in The McDougall Plan,” which I published in the early eighties, “Why did you have to write
another book?” Well, you know, we got better at communicating over the years, and so
as a result you can start with McDougall Plan, which was written in the early
eighties and became a New York Times bestseller, and you’ll get the same
message that you get 40 years from then, you know, and people sometimes say to me, “Why do you teach the same thing over and over again?” I’ve been teaching the same thing for 40 years.
Well my mentors used to teach the same thing,
and Daniel used to teach the same thing. The truth’s the truth, you know, I’m not
gonna change. This is your latest book, The Healthiest Diet on the Planet, that is from Harper one. What’s great about this one is your color picture book, which you can get for free on your website. You can get it in
24 languages. Yeah, it’s a great guide for anybody who feels like, “I don’t want to
think about what I eat, you know, I just want to keep it simple, and they can flick through
that and look at it on your website and get all the information. You go to my website […] The Healthiest Diet on the Planet was a you know, it’s a color picture book [on] food poisoning, and it’s been a big success. And I strongly recommend it. People are usually […]
like you did, you get both books, my Maximum Weight Loss book and there a lot of other…like I said, we’ve written 13 national best-selling books but any of
any of them will give you the message or you can get it perfectly free just by going to the
website, it’s no gimmicks, it’s all there. And there are two more and that’s it, and
just because I find there are people who have a great interest in them and one is
this the digestive tune-up. Yeah, that’s a fun book, [can read cover to cover, bowel to bowels] and enjoy it. You know, when it comes down to the
food, your first contact with it is your digestive system and they’re finding now
that the microbiome, and the food synergy, and how your immune system is a
lot in the gut and neurotransmitters… it’s pretty fascinating. My other one that
I recommended to people especially when they’re concerned about their doctor advice, or registered dietician or nutritionist is this one. That is a book…I wrote that probably 35 years
ago, about the treatment of osteoporosis and
cancer and heart disease and it’s a thorough review of the scientific
literature and nothing has changed I saw when it was published
and it’s all relevant now. Oh yeah, and you know the same truths that I
published back then are true today, even though back then the drug companies
weren’t, didn’t own the journals and the doctors as much as they do today. But McDougall’s Medicine: A Challenging Second Opinion, it’s a classic,
so anybody interested in the failure of current medical practices to solve the
chronic disease problems, the basic scientific literature is all there,
you’ll find nothing to contradict it and then you’ll see the dietary approach
it’s been used by people like Roy Swank and Walter Kempner, who was the sustaining
life of Duke University for, well, seventy years, his program was there
toward two decades. Kempner’s work was based on a rice diet–supported Duke
University. So you will find all this information on pioneers, whose shoulders I
stand, on who use diet to treat chronic illnesses like coronary artery disease
and chest pain and high blood pressure and type 2 diabetes. This research is so
solid and it’s been going on for so long, thousands of years–it’s just not profitable.[…] It’s just money.
Well hopefully people will realize that the most sustainable thing they could do is to look after their health and when they do that, they look after everything else. There’s every reason to do the right
thing. So, I appreciate the fact that you’re out there trying trying to get friends
and family and relatives changing. You know, this is a war. We have to win. So–and
I’m not gonna do it alone nor is Dr. Campbell or Dean Ornish. By the way, we do webinars every Thursday which are done live, the next the next webinar I’m doing
this with Dean Ornish and his wife, so you can watch live presentations which are
also posted, there probably 250 webinars on my website I’ve done, which are free, many lectures from prominent medical doctors and dietitians, who
agree with me on many issues but not all issues. Yeah, so, you know, I continue to
have this belief that I’m right in most things; I hope
I’m open-minded enough to critically evaluate you know the message I try
and give people. You look, you see, you judge for yourself. It’s all free.
Thank you very much. Yeah and thank you for your time and people in Newfoundland love to say that everybody is welcome to visit so you and your family
come to Newfoundland anytime you like. Well you know, there’s actually a
physician up in your area practices our uses, our methods. I’m sorry I don’t
recall his name right at the moment, but you know, there are there doctors around
the world who are trying to take care of patients by doing the right thing which is
stopping the cause of their illness which is the food, it’s the food, folks. You need
some sunshine, you need to walk around, but it’s the food. So thank you very much for
a chance to talk to your following thank you […] I hope we get a chance to do it again.
yeah thank you, bye bye

8 thoughts on “Dr. John McDougall Interview January 2019

  1. Dr. John McDougall, MD my hero.
    I have listened to most of his webinars with Gustavo Tolosa. I have read newsletters from his website. I have seen countless interviews in YouTube. I never get tired of listening to the stories of his plantation worker’s in Havaí. I never get tired of listening from Dr. Walter Kempner, Dr. Roy Swank, the research of Nathan Pritikin. I never get tired of listening of reversal of type 2 diabetes, Hart disease, multiple sclerosis, arthritis, constipation, etc.
    Thank you for sharing this interview. The problem is the food and we must help to spread this noble message.
    Greetings from Portugal. 🇵🇹
    Sorry for the bad English.

  2. I follow Dr Mcdougall's way of eating. it is what I grew up eating in Guyana but I strayed from it when I migrated to Canada. My mom is now 84 and one cannot keep up with her. This man is a genius. His message should be spread like wildfire. I see more and more younger people are dying out. It is the wrong foods. As for me and my household, we eat the Mcdougall diet 3 years now, I'm touching 50 years in 2 months and absolutely no medications needed. Thank you Dr Mcdougall

  3. This is a wonderful interview, it's a shame it doesn't have better sound quality. You're great at interviewing though. I just bought Starch Solution, I didn't know about the newer book though so thanks for talking about the other titles. You may have just given me my summer reading list! I live in Alberta, it's my dream to visit Newfoundland one day. Lol

  4. I love this man and his message. His information about eating starches made it possible for me to be successful on a 100% plant-based eating program. All my attempts for 30+ years were short-lived and I felt defeated. 2/14/18 I prayed for an answer. 2/15/18 I saw Dr. McDougal and started adding cooked starches. I've lost most of my excess weight and am close to being in perfect health. I am 58 and no one can keep up with me. Thank you for this interview.

  5. Don't want to lose any weight. Lost enough weight on 2 other anti-inflammatory diets for RA. didn't help much with pain so want to try this diet! Hope it helps with the pain!

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